Many people these days are woefully ignorant and terribly steeped in 'Jewish' (Pharisaic) anti-Christian Soviet-style atheist propaganda. They think that they're clever, educated and wise... but in reality they barely know their left hand from their right! They walk in darkness - having yet to receive the love of the truth... the truth being that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world; that Christ IS THE TRUTH!
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone say, "Jesus never even EXISTED!
How can you believe in fables and myth?", I would be so rich - I would be able to single-handedly finance Br. Nathanael @ Real Zionist News! (See link under 'My Favorites' → )
People have no problem believing in the historical existence of say... Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar with very little evidence. But when it comes to the person of Jesus, all of a sudden they will refuse to admit that He is a real person Who really exists! Why? Well, because they've been brainwashed with atheist nonsense since they were toddlers!
This despite the fact that there is actually plenty of evidence from non-Christian sources! There is literally more evidence for Jesus Christ than there is for someone like Julius Caesar! Here are some of the testimonies and sources from the ancient past which attest to the reality of the Christ:
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1. Flavius Josephus (approx. AD 37-101) mentions Jesus – Antiquities, Book 18, ch. 3, par. 3...
“Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call Him a man; for He was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Judeans and many of the Hellenes. He was [the] Christ.
And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned Him to the Cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake Him; for He appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning Him.
And the tribe of Christians, so named from Him, are not extinct at this day.”
2. Flavius Josephus (AD 37-101) mentions James, the brother of Jesus – Antiquities, Book 20, ch. 19...
“Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, Who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done.”
3. Tacitus (A.D. c.55 – c.117, Roman historian) mentions “Christus” who is Jesus – Annals...
“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace.
Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”
4. Pliny the Younger mentioned Christ. Pliny was governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. Pliny wrote ten books. The tenth around AD 112...
“They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to God, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind. (Eucharist)”
6. Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian (117-138 AD)...
“Because the Judeans of Rome caused continous disturbances at the instigation of Christus, [Claudius] expelled them from the city.”
“After the great fire at Rome [during Nero's reign] … Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief.”
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Jesus and His blessed Mother are also mentioned (albeit blasphemously) in the anti-Christ 'Jewish' (Pharisaic) Babylonian Talmud - which dates from approximately the third century AD. If Jesus had never existed - then there would been no-one for the anti-Christ 'Jews' to speak of (derisively or otherwise)!
Likewise the Muslim Qu'aran mentions both Jesus and His blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary... They deny His divinity and the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but they at least affirm His existence.
Strangely enough... but also proving my point here is the fact that in the early days of Christianity NO-ONE denied the divinity of Jesus Christ - it was His HUMANITY that was denied!
In other words - everyone from the beginning of His Church on earth fully believed that He was the Son of God - God incarnate... It was His humanity that was denied by the heretics back then! They just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that He is fully God... AND fully man.
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
- John 1:14
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Hi Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
A long time ago I went all over the proofs of Jesus existence. In addition I learned a lot about apologetics. I learned how to argue against evolution. How the claims made in this so called science were far from exact. I read Josh McDowell's the Evidence Demands a Verdict. I read a couple of philosophy books. I even took a course in apologetics and went over post modernism.
I can say that these learnings of mine were useful to the extent that they confirmed my faith. That is no glaring area condemned the teachings of the Bible. For example for a long time the Hittite Empire was believed not to exist and thus so called experts discredited the Bible. Later on archeologists discovered it and the objectors were silenced. Contrast this to the Book of Mormon which names many cities that have supposedly existed. Yet there is not proof of any of these ever being there. Not one phyiscal shred of evidence has ever been produced.
However I feel after all is said and done it is the gospel of Jesus Christ that will attract people. Perhaps I could win an argument with an aethiest but that really does not accomplish much. If an aethiest cannot look at nature and see God's testimony Psalm 19, Romans 1:20, then they are in a state of denial anyway.
I would like to encourage you in your work and compliment you on a job well done in this post. But ultimately it is God's Love and the knowledge and revealing of that both in Word and deed that will win converts to Christ.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Hey John,
ReplyDeleteGood to hear from you again!... I hope you and your family are doing OK following your loss.
In the Eastern Church, there has never been the same dichotomy between faith and science as there has in the West.
We feel that good science only serves to verify God's glory, actually helping to prove the existence of God.
We know that the Bible is not a science textbook... We also understand that the Bible did not fall from the sky complete in its present form - rather Godly men and prophets from various points in time were inspired to write by the Holy Spirit.
But this doesn't mean that every single word is infallable... The prophets and writers all brought certain aspects with them from their own particular times and understandings of our world.
The point is - the Bible is about the revelation of God... not the revelation of science & biology.
We know that scientific 'truths' are routinely updated with the passage of time. What was scientifically 'known' 500 years ago is not the same as what is 'known' today, and 500 years from now many things which science has 'proven' will be updated and a new 'reality' will come into being.
If evolution is true - it takes nothing from the truth of God and His revelation to man and His relationship with His people Israel in the Bible. (Israel being the New Covenant Church & the Old Covenant faithful - NOT the genocidal, anti-Christ so-called 'Jews' currently occupying Palestine!)
Mormonism is a LIE, and I wouldn't be at all suprised if the so-called 'Jews' were behind it somehow. There are many good, well meaning people who are Mormons... but they are sadly deceived. They are certainly not Christians!
I agree with you about arguing with the atheists... I was just banned from some fool's blog for trying to prove to him that Jesus Christ is the truth. He then proceeded to write an article about my fellow Orthodox Akira and I, apologizing to his 'regular readers' (all four of them) for our presence. He actually called us 'viruses', insinuating that we were insane for witnessing to the truth - our Lord Jesus Christ on his website!
What a waste of time!
The truth is this:
"For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
- I Corinthians 1:18
God bless! †
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
Genesis contradicts evolution. You can't have it both ways.
No the Bible isn't a science manual or a geography or a history book. But when it touches on those areas it is accurate.
Regarding the Bible being infallable I would say it is as it is the Word of God.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Hey John,
ReplyDeleteSorry I didn't reply right away... I didn't think you'd get back that quickly!
Is the "Church of Christ" what you would call 'fundamentalist'? In other words - do you take every single word of the whole Bible literally?
That's how the Muslims are with the Qu'aran... They believe every single word was dictated by God directly to Mohammed. Not even one single syllable can be wrong.
I know that some people who call themselves Christians think very much this way also... They believe the Word became paper!
We Orthodox Christians believe the Word became FLESH.
The Church has never believed that every single syllable of the Bible is infallable. The Bible was not written by God nor was it dictated word for word by God. The Bible was written by Holy men through time who were inspired by the Holy Spirit...
Listen to these podcasts... They are narrated by Fr. Thomas Hopko - who is Dean Emeritus of St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary in New York... He can explain this much better than I can:
Darwin & Christianity - Pts. 1-9
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Part 9
This following series is also a good listen, which fully explains what I mean... It's called 'Search the Scriptures' by Presvytera and Dr. Jeannie Constantinou, goes through Genesis step-by-step. (The oldest episode is last, most recent is first):
Search The Scriptures
God bless you John!
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Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
A literal translation is obviously incorrect. Take the statement of Jesus being the lamb of God. A literal translation means Jesus is a furry animal.
1 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them "These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fufilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms concerining me." These words are spoken by Jesus.
There are more scriptures I could give. But basically the Bible was written by man and the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit together. Also one must understand that thinks aren't literal, for example the book of Revelation. Are those beasts coming out of the sea actual physical monsters? I think not.
However the prophets through inspiration wrote about Jesus. This is shown in other New Testament scriptures besides the one in Luke that I gave you. For example Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53. I believe the authors did not know the signifigance of what they were writing or it's fufillment.
As we have discussed before and have agreed that scriputre, apostolic example and tradition constituted the doctrine of the early church. However we disagreed when I contended that scripture takes presidence. For example we disagreed on whether a bishop should be married and the fact that bishops or elders are always in position in numbers greater than one. I pointed out 1Timothy and Titus and you referred back to your tradition. Also it is clear from scripture elders must be married and have children. At least to me.
The problem is that over the past two thousand years the Church has gotten away from the early church. You would contend that the Orthodox Church has not. I would contend that it has and I would make such an assessment from doctrinal points in scripture.
The Church of Christ attempts to get back to the original intent of the church Jesus established. Christ only established one church. Names such as baptist, methodist, lutheran etc. are nowhere to be found in the Bible. Adherence to scripture is broken in the use of these unBiblical names and in other areas such as how to be saved.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
Regarding the Church of Christ it existed in England long before the reformation. I get this from an English brother who has quite an extensive knowledge in history.
There is also the concept of the early and latter rains.
Unfortunately I have no audio to listen to the podcasts to.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Hey John,
ReplyDeleteToo bad you don't have speakers for your computer... Perhaps you could listen at a friends house?
Or if you had an MP3 player - maybe you could just download them onto memory at a library or an internet cafe, then listen later?
They really are good listening... I'm sure you'd enjoy them.
You said, "Regarding the Church of Christ it existed in England long before the reformation. I get this from an English brother who has quite an extensive knowledge in history."
Hmmm... Really? I thought that the 'Churches of Christ' were a result of the 'restoration movement' as part of the 'reformation'? The 'reformation' obviously came after the protestant movement.
I'm not doubting you... I'm just trying to understand. Is this your group?
Churches Of Christ
Can you tell me more about "early & latter rains"? I've never heard of that...
Thanks!
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Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well. The Alexander Cambell/Barton Stone movement was something inspired by the Holy Spirit. As I mentioned in England the Church of Christ was there for quite a long time.
They question then becomes what is the Church of Christ? The answer is anybody that obeys the Word of God. Not to be broad as that is a general claim, let me be perfectly clear. We believe that adults baptized by immersion in water for forgiveness of sins enter into a covenant relationship with Jesus and are at the moment 'born again' and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38, Romans 6, among others. Thus if there were people in prison, (and this has happened) that wanted to come to the Lord they could be reading the Word of God come to this conclusion.
Certainly the so called 'sinner's prayer' does nothing for salvation as that it is a man made doctrine. Not once do you see any example of a person in the book of Acts or elsewhere where a person uses the 'sinner's prayer'. However every conversion in the book of Acts has baptism present, with the exception of Apollos who's details of conversion are not there. In fact the 'sinners prayer' is not even mentioned in the Word of God.
Regarding the early and latter rains. James 5:7 "Be paitent therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord, Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long paitence for it, until he receive the early and latter rain."
The Church began in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost. This is also known as the harvest of the 'first fruits'. There is another harvest which is the feast of booths or feat of tabernacles (I will have to check the name). This is the final harvest at the end of the season. Thus after Pentecost until today the following happened. At Pentecost, the first harvest many souls were added, consequently the Church died down and became very small, but did not perish, and was always somewhere on the Earth. Remember the Church of Christ membership is determined by correctly following scripture to get in. John Hus and the Anabaptists are a couple of names to research their beliefs. However now we are close to the second harvest at the end of time. Thus we are seeing the emmergence or flowering of the one Church that God has established.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
We had a brief discussion on our differences before. I think at this time it would be unprofitable for us to scrutinize what seperates. I know in my mind the difference is significant as it is in yours. The scripture that I read at my mother's funeral was from the Book of Ecclesiastes where it talks about a time and season for everything. So I am not ignoring engagement but putting it off for a time and season.
I have worked with people of different faiths in different aspects. I feel that close association is one good proof of belief. One can speak clever and convinincing words but to see one in action is another matter alltogether.
The world is literally being destroyed. The oil spill in the Gulf Coast if my Native American friends are correct could destroy all the wild life in the ocean. This is of course a worse case scenario.
In my future time I am going to get very active in evangelizing, opposition to the war and a couple of local matters. I would rather discuss things between us.
May God bless you. I hope you put your links on other blogs as this would bring participation of others. I hope in your role as moderator you would both be tolerant and gentle to others.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
Conversation is difficult in forums like this. What I think is perfectly clear may be misconstrued by others. The comments of convincing words was not directed to you but others in the general sense. Actually I was thinking of the deceiver, that is Satan. I know we both agree there are multitudes of false gospels out there.
I do not know the best way to begin these discussions. I always saw these blogs as a way to state my beliefs to the general public. That is my words on my blogs are a testimony to humanity in general.
Let us then lay down the ground work. Who is Jesus? How does He save? Why is there but one way to Heaven? And what is His Church like?
Begin anywere you like. However let us be clear that we have different core beliefs. Myself I believe in the 66 books of the Bible as the sole word of God. You believe in the books but additional teaching such as the ones you've posted here.
Let our discussion begin and let us do our best to do it in a Spirit of humilty, gentleness and Love. Let us not back away from the Truth while at the same time not devouring one another.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
I have inquired from a brother in England name Keith about the history of the Church of Christ in England. The getting small of the church took place after the apostles died and the subsequent persecution.
Let us start talking about salvation. One must know about Jesus before they can be saved. Romans 10:17 faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
The first major difference then would be the Orthodox practice of infant baptism. The concept of original sin is not in the Bible. Rather the idea that mankind has fallen into a sinful state and that all men, except Jesus have sinned. And the wages of sin is death. Romans 3:23 Romans 6:23 Romans 5:12 and on.
I will await a response.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
Try this link:
Traces Of The Kingdom
Love,
John
Prodigal Son,
ReplyDeleteIsn't it hard...considering you hate the Jews so much, to know, absolutely, that Jesus was a Rabbi? He was called "King of the Jews"
So, I wonder, because of this, will you stay prodigal forever?
"All of the anti-Christ so-called ‘Jews’ who are called ‘rabbi’ today are actually nothing more than modern-day Pharisees!"
ReplyDeleteSo, God made YOU the grand Poobah of *ALL* of the Jews? BS.
Many Jews love God, the only REASON they cannot see your FAKE 'faith' is b/c you are too busy making sure they dont hear the truth about the Gospel.
You are too busy on INCOGS blog pointing out the Jew this, and the Jew that - but you are not 'filled with hate?' MY A$$.
Themadejewess,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
Welcome to the blog! I certainly appreciate some company here.
I've know Prodigal for a while via internet, so I know a little of where he is coming from.
I too have a problem with Jews, but please let me elaborate. It is not the authentic Jew. That is a Jew who restricts himself to the Old Testament. I have problems with the Talmud and I have problems with Jews who serve the god of Mammon. Of course many who claim to be Christians also have man made creeds and the serve the god of Mammon.
I do not view Judaism like the Muslim religion. I reject the Koran as the devil's work, as I do the Talmud. I know that there are many types of Jews and so to label them all as one would be wrong.
By the way what are you mad about?
Love,
John Kaniecki
Hi John...
ReplyDeleteI guess the link you gave me was supposed to answer my questions?
The site makes a lot of assumptions which amount to great leaps of logic with no evidence for their truthfulness.
You reject the verifiable ever-present Apostolic traditions of Christ's one true Church - but you have no trouble following the latertraditions of the 'church of Christ' with NO REAL EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER!
Their narrative begins in 1000 AD, and willingly claims antiquity through fellowship with known heretics!?
The simple fact is this John: You accept the Scriptures - but you reject the Church from whence the Scriptures arose.
You reject Holy Tradition, which was given to the Church by the Apostles... but Scripture came forth from the very Tradition you reject.
In the beginning, at Pentecost... the Church had NO Scripture except for the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint)! In the beginning of the Church (and for quite some time) all the Church had was Holy Apostolic Tradition!
It wasn't like today - with Bibles readily available to everyone... There was NO New Testament as we now know it!
There were no printing presses... Individual Gospels and epistles were kept by the Churches. If a copy was made - it was copied by hand at great expense! Even simple things like paper & ink were hard to come by in those days, and Bibles as we know them (as a nice neat collection of all of the separate books) were completely non-existent!
Early Christians did not have Bibles - so to suggest that there were Christians in the beginning who adhered only to the New Testament is frankly RIDICULOUS because there was no complete New Testament as we know it until the second century; the canon was not finalized (BY the Church you reject) until the fourth century.
Check these out...
On Holy Scripture
On Holy Tradition
On the Presuppositions of Our Personal Salvation
The New Testament
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Nasty said: "MadKhazaress said...", FIRST of all, I don't like being called a "Khazar", probably b/c I am a PORTUGUESE Jew, a Crypto/Marrano-Jew, so that makes me a friendly person to CHRISTIANS.
ReplyDeleteJohn: I have both faiths as a part of my life. BUT, I don't believe that Jews should try to hide, so, my blog is "The Mad Jewess" so I am not seen as a deceiver - I believe incorporating both faiths is the best way to be, since there is a completion in it.
As far as the Talmud, it is a book of folklore, imo. I don't cater to fable. I believe in God, the Great I AM, the Alpha & Omega, the Beginning and the End., the First and the Last. I don't need no stinkin Talmud :D It is enough to believe in ONE God.
***I do, however, thank you for your kindness. I rarely find "Love John" on Christian blogs.
I am angry because I have lived near these satanic leftists all my life, and that is hard, when you see everything they do is just straight up evil. But, because I am a Joooo, I must be 'with' them, even though my blog is probably the most candid, putting down of evil Jews on the whole net, to the point where I have been cut-off from my own people.
I see evil and I have to stand against it. God is mad and I am with him.
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
You see the Scriputres developed during the infancy of the Church. Once the Church was established they had the scriptures. From what I understand about the Bible being canonized was that they recognized what was being used as opposed to selecting books for the Bible.
The truth of the matter is that you can not guarentee that your Orthodox tradition goes back to the Apostles without heresey. After all the Roman Catholic church makes the same claim. However I can verify the early Greek Scriptures.
Madjewess,
Hi hope you are well.
Yes I think God is well. Wholesale condemnation of any people is wrong. It is always the wrong ones who get persecuted and killed.
I think I'll check out your site when I have a free moment. What are your ideas on what Prodigal and I are discussing?
Love,
John Kaniecki
"It is always the wrong ones who get persecuted and killed."
ReplyDeleteRight.
Prodigal needs to get that Bolshevik-Jews are the anti-Christ. They hate Israel too, they hate their own people, they hate Jews that are Orthodox, and persecute Messianics, they are a nitemare. I deal with these terrible people on a daily basis.
The reason that you wont see many Christians hating "Zion"ism, is because in the Christian faith, Jesus is the cornerstone of Zion.
Prodigal also needs to see that the Jew AND the gentile are responsible for killing and crucifying Jesus. Most of the people that followed Jesus, were JEWS.
He then says: I talk about FAKE ‘Jew’ imposters – Khazars like you.
Judging me. I am not an 'imposter' nor am I a Khazar. I am a conservative God-fearing person, as are many of my friends, that are comprised of Jews AND Christians. I guess I am not supposed to feel any spiritual connection to Israel either, b/c that makes me a traitor.
Online persecution to a female is just as bad as physical, and one day, God will ask these persecutors of mine;
"Why Do You Kick Against The Goads?"
I am one of God's children, I belong to HIM, and anyone should SEE that, just by looking at my website, I HATE Evil, even if it is my own people. I am a righteous person.
John, I am sure that you are a nice person, all that I can do is hope that you can reach Prodigal, "Cannibal Rabbi", "Marshall" and all of the others on that blog, they think that ALL Jews are evil, and I am NOT.
Oh, John you really ARE right about the wrong ones getting killed and persecuted.
Soros is everyday proof.
oops.. :D
Here is my favorite song, we only have ONE chance in life to love people OR rebuke them if needed, b/c they could be gone tomorrow.
Blessings John, you ARE loved by God, THAT is evident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGDA0Hecw1k
MadJewess,
ReplyDeleteYou said, "Prodigal needs to get that Bolshevik-Jews are the anti-Christ."
Nonsense. ALL 'Jews' are anti-Christ. That's why they call themselves 'Jews'!
The only thing that makes a 'Jew' a 'Jew' - is their rejection of Christ as the Messiah.
You said, "Prodigal also needs to see that the Jew AND the gentile are responsible for killing and crucifying Jesus."
Pontius Pilate wanted to release Jesus. He said he found no fault in Him. It was the Judeans who cried, "Crucify Him!, Give us Barabas!"
You say, "I am not an ‘imposter’ nor am I a Khazar. I am a conservative God-fearing person"
You're not a Khazar? O.K. fine. But if you call yourself 'Jew' - then you are most certainly an imposter.
In the Old Testament, the English word 'Jew' was transliterated from the word 'Judahite', meaning a member of the tribe of Judah.
You are not a Judahite!
In the New Testament the word 'Jew' was translated from the word 'Judean' meaning a resident of Roman Judea.
You are not a Judean.
And if you were really a "God-fearing person" then you would be a Christian and you certainly wouldn't identify yourself as an anti-Christ 'Jew'.
You say, "I guess I am not supposed to feel any spiritual connection to Israel either... I HATE Evil"
First of all - the anti-Christ Zionist entity currently occupying the Holy Land has NO connection with Israel! Israel are the people of God. The people of God are those who do not reject the Messiah... Israel are Christians! Period.
If you really hate evil - then you must be against the murderous, racist, genocidal occupiers of the Holy Land.
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Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
You say that the Roman Church has deviated from the Church Fathers. In that statement is the error of your ways!
I go back before the so called 'Church Fathers' to the words of the apostles.
Here Paul's words in Galatians 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Any further teaching must agree with what came before by the Apostles which were with no doubt inspired by God.
If you look at the so called 'Church Fathers' I am told you will find no evidence of infant baptism nor use of musical instruments.
Finally just the term "Church Fathers" is a violation of scripture. Mathew 23:9 "And call no man on Earth father upon Earth: for one is your father which is in heaven."
So these Church Fathers are called wrong, teach without authority and sometimes contradict the Word of God.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
Regarding your Jewish visitor I suggest you lighten up! I agree that there are those who are called Jews who worship Mammon over God. However to make a whole sale condemnation of any type of person is wrong. Except in the case of Fascism.
I respectively suggest you reconsider your approach to Jews in general. People are won over by Love and the Word of God not by condemnation. I am not suggesting that we should not strive for a just world. It is just that everyone who wears the name 'Jew' is not an enemy. Let their own words condemn themselves.
Love,
John Kaniecki
You are judging me with unrighteous judgement.
ReplyDeleteYou are judging me based on the NAME of my BLOG., no other reason.
You are calling a good person -evil. God talks about NOT calling that which is good-evil and evil-good.
You do not know me, you do not know who is the author and finisher of my faith.
I would highly suggest that you stop the unrighteous judgement and start acting like the passages up there command you.
I am no enemy of God, you are acting as one.
If my blog was called "The Mad American" I can tell you flat out that you would have NO issues.
Jesus was a JEW, he fullfilled the LAW. They called him "The King of the JEWS"
If you really love Jesus, the king of the JEWS, you would have NO issues with the Jewish people.
But you do, because you have an issue with Jesus's Jewishness.
AND, Prodigal:
ReplyDeleteYou give ME this scripture, but do not realize that the pointing finger is AT YOU.
“My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.”
- I John 3:18
I suggest that YOU start loving in deed. I suggest that YOU walk in this truth. I suggest that YOU not condemn people as this is not your position. I suggest that YOU not put aside all people as potential candidates of Teshuvah and repent yourself.
You are STILL judging, as I stated, you do NOT know me, nor do you know who the author and finisher of my faith is.
ReplyDeleteObviously you did not take the time to read 'about me' on my blog did you? No, which is why you are unrighteously judging me.
FYI: WHEN did I EVER say I rejected Jesus? When? YOU said that. So, onward. I grew up with BOTH faiths in my family, a full knowledge of Jesus and a full knowledge of the Jewish faith.
You are giving me scriptures I have taught on for years in my life from the New Testament.
You don't know what Crypto Jewry is, do you? NO. Judging, judging, judging. God will judge you in kind.
... Sorry, Jesus is a JEW.
King of the JEWS.
Until YOU come to terms with this, YOU are anti-Christ, you are rejecting Jesus as the JEWISH MESSIAH.
"The murderers who did 9/11"!
You have also been brainwashed as well, everyone knows who did the terrorist act on 9/11.
... Yes, I support Israel, I READ the Book of Revelations, I READ where Jesus says in the latter days:
“Let those in JUDEA flee to the hills”
Jesus is an “Israel firster”
How evil of you. Do you know how many Christians are in Israel? Do you know that Messianics have been granted the right of return?
You are just plain mean.
You need to repent, it is YOU that is living in darkness. NOT ME.
Hi Joshua,
ReplyDeleteI'm doing good how are you?
Okay I can agree that there was teaching done in the Church. But none of those teachings would contradict what is written in the letters.
Here is a catechism from the Russian Orthodox Church
Question: What does religion teach us as to our duties to the Czar?
Answer: Worship, fidelity, the payment of taxes, service, love and prayer- the whole being comprised in the words, worship and fidelity.
I think if you really investigate your catechisms you would find many contradictions both to the teaching of the Bible and good common sense. Why because they are man made and not inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Love,
John Kaniecki
John,
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear you're well...
Can you tell me where you got that Russian 'Catechism' from?
Can you put a link here?
Thanks!
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Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you're well.
I got that from a book on Russia.
The Catholic Church has progressive Revelation. That is one when becomes a 'priest' he goes through levels. At each level he learns things the regular laity does not know. I suspect the Orthodox Church is the same. I would really investigate what their Catechisms are. It may open your eyes.
Love,
John
"You grew up with both Christianity and the rejection of Christianity?"
ReplyDeleteI NEVER said I rejected Jesus.
Blog Owner, your person needs the love of God way more than me, so I have stayed too long. I will not return. God will smite those that seek my pain for no reason.
Jesus, is KING OF THE JEWS.
Prodigal Son
ReplyDeleteJesus was born to a Jewish family and preached to Jews. After his death, Peter and Paul argued over Jewish Law and who should follow it. Peter expected non Jews to follow all of the Jewish laws, but Paul convinced him that it would be too much and followers would be lost, so the end result was that only Jews follow their laws plus what their Messiah preached.
In Jewish law, if your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish.
... The eye of the person in that picture looks like the eye of Claudette Colbert. What does Claudette Colbert have to do with a new world order?
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
The quote is from a book called "Three who made a revolution."
Love,
John
David Ben Moshe,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
You are mistaken in your conclusion. The Bible the Word of God does not conflict. Paul teaches that we are not to keep the Law. See the book of Galatians. Also the Law can be summed up in the statement of "Love thy neighbor."
What about the Talmud? What are your thoughts on that?
Love,
John Kaniecki
John, this is your blog, huh?
ReplyDeleteYou condone this persecution of Jews, that you know zero about.
You are not what I thought you were or are.
I ask God to forgive me for saying that you were/are a loving person, you are indeed a passive agresssive.
No wonder a Jew wont come to Jesus Christ on THIS blog.
Shame on you.
(David) is a Jew 4 Jesus. I suppose that isnt allowed…
Themadjewess,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
This is not my blog. It is Prodigal Son's or Joshua's blog. I am no more a participant than you are. I object to the wholesale condemnation of people. Look at Islam for example. How many of those people are violent and how many are just doing what they need to do in their country? You take what you're given and do the best.
As far as being a passive aggressive that may fit me but not in the way you are thinking.
Love,
John
Hey John,
ReplyDeleteI've tried and tried to find that book online... but to no avail. I was able to find it for sale but not in an online version I could read.
I would like to read it but I just cannot afford it right now. Is it a book you own? Does it give a reference to the primary source for that information?
I have read many various catechisms online (including Russian) but I've never seen anything like what you're talking about, so I would love to know where the author got his information.
Anyhow, I hope I haven't offended you here somehow.
Job's blog is downright barren! I'm pretty sure I saw a tumbleweed rolling across his homepage!
I notice that a lot of times he doesn't reply to people who have addressed him by name (including myself)... That's just downright rude if you ask me.
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
I suspect Job is dealing with something in his life and thus his neglect of the blog.
Three Who Made a Revolution by Bertram D. Wolfe. Page 48 in the paper back. Apparently it was a text book at one time. I was reading it to understand revolution. The Russian revolution was one that went seriously wrong! I know that will be avoided in the final revolution as it will be guided by God Himself!!!
No I am not offended I just don't have anything to say. See how the MadJewess criticized me about operating your blog. How she got that idea I do not know. Perhaps when I asked your guest about his views on the Talmud she didn't like that.
The Talmud, like the Koran or the Book of Mormon or any other book by man pretending to be God's word is evil!
Thanks for the thoughts.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Hi again John...
ReplyDeleteYou could be right about Job... but he has still ignored me many times.
Do you own the book? Does it have a list of sources or references at the end?
The Russian (Bolshevik) revolution was a 'Jewish'/Masonic operation as was the 'French'. It was all about the destruction of the existing Christian aristocracy and the installation of a 'Jewish' power structure. Their anti-Christ takeover agenda is outlined succinctly in the 'Protocols of Zion', which we can see coming into complete fruition today.
They killed over 60 million Christians but all we ever hear about is the BS Hollow¢o$t™ and the magical "$ix Million"! Christian Churches were destroyed while 'Jewish' synagogues remained... So-called anti-Semitism was made illegal with the punishment being death! There were so many 'Jews' in positions of power following the 'revolution' that it was plainly obvious who was behind it all - even before the revelation that funding for the takeover had come from New York 'Jew' bankers & Wall Street 'Jews'.
'The MadJewess' - as her handle makes clear is not all there. She speaks of God and rejects Him at the same time. And just like all self-styled 'Jews', as soon as anyone brings up the Talmud they go into a tizzy. I'm working on gathering quotes from the Talmud regarding Christians, Jesus and His mother, as well as some of the other juicy tidbits contained within...
That ought to get them going!
The Talmud makes the Qu'aran and the book of Mormon look like children's books!
BTW John... You should check out this forum:
Orthodox Christianity.net
Despite its name there are all kinds of folks on there... Orthodox, Orientals, Roman Catholics, Protestants of all types, even 'Jews'!
Join up! Lots of discussion there! My handle there is 'Saint Iaint'... See you there - send me a PM when you get yourself registered!
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Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
It is very curious to me that you joined a group with people you have never met. I know people do that in the Church of Christ as well!
Love,
John Kaniecki
Hi John,
ReplyDeleteCan you explain what you mean? What group?
I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Thanks †
Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
You joined the Orthodox religion and do not have an assembly where you gather to worship in your vicinity?
Love,
John Kaniecki
Hey John,
ReplyDeleteFirstly, I must tell you that Orthodoxy is not a religion! The Church that Jesus founded upon Himself is both the fulfillment and the negation of all religion.
And as I said in my post on May 8th @ 1:50pm:
"Here where I live, it was a 3 hour drive to the nearest Orthodox Church! In the very recent past, the only Churches were those which consisted of ethnic communtities of immigrants from Orthodox nations such as Russia & Greece.
Luckily for me, (and thanks be to God!) a new Church just opened 10 minutes from my house! This is a predominantly Ukrainian congregation who had been (unbeknownst to me) conducting services in a local funeral home! They have just acquired a new building – what was previously a ‘Christian science’ community that went belly-up."
When I came to the realization that Jesus is the truth... I was faced with the questions:
1. What is His Church?
2. Where is His Church?
I did a lot of searching and a lot of research in order to find His Church!
Are you saying you joined the Church of Christ just because you knew some people that went there?
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Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
I respect your questions and your diligence in searching out the truth. I believe if you asked those two questions and sought the the answers by using the Bible as the authority you would have come to the Church of Christ.
I came from a Catholic background and I came to believe in Jesus from reading the Bible. I then asked myself "Does anyone follow what is taught there?" I saw those who did in the Church of Christ.
For example the book of James teaches us to talk about the future using the pharse "God willing". So many people ignore this.
Doctrine works hand in hand with action. Faith must be alive. I hope the people in the Orthodox Church do not let you down. I have a feeling they will though, so be warned.
Love,
John Kaniecki
Hey John,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your concern.
You wrote, " I believe if you asked those two questions and sought the the answers by using the Bible as the authority you would have come to the Church of Christ."
The only problem with what you say is: the Church existed before the Bible! So what did the earliest Christian have as their authority if there was no New Testament? Simple... The Apostles and the Bishops whom they appointed! The Church itself was (and is) the authority - guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit.
The Bible was birthed in & belongs to the Church... It was never meant to stand alone. The Gospels are the testimony of the Church. The various epistles are written to the Church. This alone proves that the Church was already established before the epistles were written.
There are 33,000 'denominations' which all claim to use the Bible as their authority - just like the 'church of Christ' does... and they all think that they are following the Bible faithfully.
However the Bible says there is only one Church - not 33,000. So the Church had to have been there in the beginning, had to have been there all along... and has to still be here. I'm sorry to tell you John - but the so-called 'church of Christ' does not meet those criteria.
As you know... I too come from a R.C. background. It's terrible - but I'm convinced that their mission for the past few hundred years has been to turn people away from Christ. I believe they have been subverted by the 'Jews'.
The church of Rome used to be part of the Orthodox Curch... but shortly before the turn of the first millenium they began to alter the faith. And so in the 11th century they were finally excommunicated from the Orthodox Church.
So you have done the right thing by rejecting Rome... but you've gone too far! To decry the false tradition of the papacy is wise... but to reject all Holy Tradition completely is folly. In the Bible St. Paul adjures Christians to hold fast Holy Tradition.
The Sacraments were instituted by God and should not be rejected... most particularly the life-giving consecrated Eucharist.
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Joshua,
ReplyDeleteHi hope you are well.
Well regarding scripture. The words of the Bible I believe are inspired. Therefore they take precedent over anything that comes later. I do not trust the so called Church 'Fathers' one bit. They have gotten away from the message of Love that Jesus spoke.
Love,
John Kaniecki